Curse

Phelann · Aug 31, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

That was the first mat I've enjoyed watching in about 8 months. I gave a little cheer when Rawr was eliminated too.

Mr. Undisclosed · Aug 31, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

OMG and I thought I couldnt do worse than last month! :'(

I blame baby, Me, Noob and dR for everything (lol) at least Team and spNV made it to the last 16 before blowing up. Oh and KMD losing to be 6th and so no points for a 1st place prediction. At lease StS gave me 3 points on most of my accounts and some from mKay too.
Got to keep fingers crossed for HB now......(hysterical laugh).

Blame yourself for putting Baby and dR in top 8. dR is a great team but pretty much everyone knew they just wouldn't do too well this tourney.

Lycan Nibbler · Aug 31, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Blame yourself for putting Baby and dR in top 8. dR is a great team but pretty much everyone knew they just wouldn't do too well this tourney.

Everyone knew a lot of things, didn't stop most of them being wrong now did it? :P

The only people who "knew" were dR when they decided to forfeit mtach 3 in the swiss.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Sep 01, 2008, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Bonhart

My point is that team which gets dominated by the other one for most of the most of the time should lose.

If you really dominated them, you would have won before 28 minutes.

DarkNecrid · Sep 01, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

The final match was pretty fun. A lot of people in obs mode kept laughing or saying it was funny but it was a pretty enjoyable watch other then the stupid tiebreaker.

erk · Sep 01, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

The final match was pretty fun. A lot of people in obs mode kept laughing or saying it was funny but it was a pretty enjoyable watch other then the stupid tiebreaker.

Certainly a more interesting match than last months [rawr] VoD fiasco. It still surprises me how many people send a split off earlier in the game, which takes out knights and the bodyguard but doesn't put any damage onto the lord in case of the tiebreaker! Then there is a mad panic later on.

shoogi · Sep 01, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

enjoyable? how is watching players suiciding on the guild lord doing as much damage as they can before npcs kill them enjoyable?

Godguard · Sep 01, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Bonhart

My point is that team which gets dominated by the other one for most of the most of the time should lose. The had more DP, we had boosts, they got wiped and we even managed to dmg their lord a bit... we did all of that through the game. Of course we did 2 mistakes which costed us this game, our warriors (snared) failed to block the bridge and let through "suicide gank" and I splitted with our flagger forgetting that zed is being base rezzed. Anyways in my opinion that mistakes doesn't mean shit because... what is it about?! We failed to rush? Wtf? Dominated team rushes and dmgs lord after 26th and wins? Guild wars is not about last minute rush.

Nor isn't Guild Wars about the dominating time or end morale status.

Perhaps it isn't allowed to split in your system and we have done something forbidden, but the match wasn't that easy like you probably think about it. I will explain you.

As you didn't described we dominated you the first 12 minutes, got several kills on your backline and forced you into your base twice. Of course, you stroke back and 6 minutes later you were the team with the better positioning and controlling of the flag, you were in advantage from minute 18. But nevertheless we already decided at this time, that fighting 8v8 won't end in a good match, while both teams probably linebacking and blocking flags until 28. So we tried to split, to reach the main goal (Guild Wars isn't about team wiping) to get the Guild Lord down or at least to damage the Lord most.

Well, so it's easier to "dominate" a team 6vs7 or such stuff, just to say afterwards, we killed most, victory is ours, doesn't help you. But in truth you wasn't the active team anymore, you just reacted on our movement trying to collapse with the whole team to get the game back in your hands, after 21 you only killed Zed in your base but didn't achieve anything more.

So as you were just running behind us, we brought our team into position at minute 26 to attack the lord properly while the whole game wasn't dominated by a single team. And here you did the mistake, which makes our team wipe and give you the chance to call it a suicidal tactic. You just forced the 8v8 until the end in fighting our whole team in your base beside your Guild Lord, hopefully that wiping will be rewarded by ... why the hell did you do this? Again, Guild Wars isn't about team wiping! The whole thing wasn't comprehensible as you probably saw it in the match against BdV, where they have done the right thing out of a worse position. And you knew it, that we have to attack the lord before the countdown expires and you didn't do anything against it. (And don't tell my something about a two man block.) Although i don't like the actual system either, you played like a headless mob, which at least let us win.

'nuff said.

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Gvg lasts 28min, not 2. And tiebreaker should depend on whole game so we can rly make sure better team wins.

That's quite an ironical thought, as you didn't dominate the match the first 15 minutes (we killed more players, we forced boost first, we still got better morale until minute 18 as you got your first boost). So, if you are referring to the whole game, your statement that you would had won with such a system is not comprehensible.

erk · Sep 01, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by shoogi

enjoyable? how is watching players suiciding on the guild lord doing as much damage as they can before npcs kill them enjoyable?

If you are referring to the current mAT final, that never happened. There was good opportunity around the 24min mark for the BdV Ranger to clock up some safe damage on the lord for 30sec or so, which could have prevented StS winning, but he decided to go back to main skirmish.

shoogi · Sep 01, 2008, 12:08 PM // 12:08

But it did happen in a good portion of the matches, at least those I observed.

Mr. Undisclosed · Sep 01, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Everyone knew a lot of things, didn't stop most of them being wrong now did it? :P

Umm...what? Obviously they didn't "know" or else they would have been right.

Farin · Sep 02, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Blame yourself for putting Baby and dR in top 8. dR is a great team but pretty much everyone knew they just wouldn't do too well this tourney.

dR never had an actual team. They played the first couple matches with divine on warrior because my internet was down until like the 4th round of the mAT. Of course they didn't know this so they just forfeit after the second round because it was pointless.

PS. I'm the best, my mexican internet is not.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Sep 02, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

You'd think Farin could have used that 800 dollars to get decent internet.

auch · Sep 02, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

i cant rly predict as i forgot my password, the names i put in

Lycan Nibbler · Sep 02, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Umm...what? Obviously they didn't "know" or else they would have been right.

My point exactly, glad you understand that now. ie how many people knew that KMD were going to win etc. "Knowing" is a very subjective word for people who really are guessing based on assumptions.

Motoko · Sep 02, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

The only people who "knew" were dR when they decided to forfeit match 3 in the swiss.

Alot of people knew. You can't blame anything else but your own ignorance. dR hadn't played the entire month, and you could tell by obsing their total of 10 matches this past month before the MAT that they were really rusty.

You would have also noticed who they had playing in those qualifying AT's.*

dR has been a great build wars guild and has usually had solid players. It's unfortunate that there were 3 American guilds that didn't make it into the eliminations due to outside issues.

*I am not slandering any of the people that were playing for dR for QP's, but you will notice it wasn't their core. The people that were playing weren't playing the spots you would normally see them on.

Bobby2 · Sep 03, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I voted KMD for gold. Stuff becomes harder to predict with those game-breaking changes

gj adapting StS

InfernalSuffering · Sep 04, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

Alot of people knew. You can't blame anything else but your own ignorance. dR hadn't played the entire month, and you could tell by obsing their total of 10 matches this past month before the MAT that they were really rusty.

You would have also noticed who they had playing in those qualifying AT's.*

dR has been a great build wars guild and has usually had solid players. It's unfortunate that there were 3 American guilds that didn't make it into the eliminations due to outside issues.

*I am not slandering any of the people that were playing for dR for QP's, but you will notice it wasn't their core. The people that were playing weren't playing the spots you would normally see them on.

To be perfecty honest, most of America was looking very poorly going into this monthly. rawr, dR, and qE basically hadn't played all month. pd wasn't as active as they usually are. oK was struggling. Both ?mud and aFk were the only very active American guilds, and everybody knows that neither of them had a chance at anything but bronze. DM looked good going in especially with build wars, but a few bad decisions in the single elims took care of America's only shot. We (oK) had a monk error in 2 rounds, including the 6th round against DM that decided who was going to the single elims. Gratz to pd for going 4-2 (I have no idea how you did it), but I can't say I'm sad that you guys got shafted out of a silver trim.

Motoko · Sep 04, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by InfernalSuffering

To be perfecty honest, most of America was looking very poorly going into this monthly. rawr, dR, and qE basically hadn't played all month. pd wasn't as active as they usually are. oK was struggling. Both ?mud and aFk were the only very active American guilds, and everybody knows that neither of them had a chance at anything but bronze. DM looked good going in especially with build wars, but a few bad decisions in the single elims took care of America's only shot. We (oK) had a monk error in 2 rounds, including the 6th round against DM that decided who was going to the single elims. Gratz to pd for going 4-2 (I have no idea how you did it), but I can't say I'm sad that you guys got shafted out of a silver trim.

That doesn't surprise me to hear that coming from you Jakal. oK seems to fair really well when fighting pd the few times it did. Unfortunately you caught us with our pants down and 3-4 core players out. Thats our fault, not an excuse~I understand you guys have also suffered the same issues. We've had a few players with personal issues so we do tend to struggle with guests who aren't keen with our playstyle. And despite the little hate pd and oK have between each other, I always expect you guys to do well each monthly... But it doesn't happen. We did get shafted from trim, oh well, theres no point in crying about it.

As far as I'm concerned:
rawr~Gold/Silver
dR~Wildcard~anything was possible
dV~Silver most likely up to 2nd/3rd single elims
qE~high bronze/silver
pd~high bronze/low silver/done in 1st/2nd single elims
oK~could get silver, but past mAT's say no
?mud~active but slowly declining the past weeks, maybe low bronze
aFk~bronze again

But then again, every American guild but rawr was pretty much nihil compared to the euro guilds who dominated the mAT this time. Even Me didn't fair well against pd and only won due to the wastrels/lord gimmick.

Son Of The Axe · Sep 04, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

That doesn't surprise me to hear that coming from you Jakal. oK seems to fair really well when fighting pd the few times it did. Unfortunately you caught us with our pants down and 3-4 core players out. Thats our fault, not an excuse~I understand you guys have also suffered the same issues. We've had a few players with personal issues so we do tend to struggle with guests who aren't keen with our playstyle. And despite the little hate pd and oK have between each other, I always expect you guys to do well each monthly... But it doesn't happen. We did get shafted from trim, oh well, theres no point in crying about it.

As far as I'm concerned:
rawr~Gold/Silver
dR~Wildcard~anything was possible
dV~Silver most likely up to 2nd/3rd single elims
qE~high bronze/silver
pd~high bronze/low silver/done in 1st/2nd single elims
oK~could get silver, but past mAT's say no
?mud~active but slowly declining the past weeks, maybe low bronze
aFk~bronze again

But then again, every American guild but rawr was pretty much nihil compared to the euro guilds who dominated the mAT this time. Even Me didn't fair well against pd and only won due to the wastrels/lord gimmick.

Sry maybe i'm just ignorant, but how did pd get shafted from silver trim?

dV can get silver but they are so inconsistent its hard to tell, plus they're not too active.

mud will never get silver, they lucked out with bronze the one time they got it, terrible guild, that only got in champ range running ineptitude and using 4 guests from top 20 all the time.

[pd] as much as i hate to say it has the highest chance among mid ranking american guilds for a silver, still a crap shoot tho, i'd say 15-20% chance.

[ok] and [afk] are or at least should be solid bronze.

Personally i hope rawr comes back with a new gold in their new smurf. Then sells it for lots of keys